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11 Aug 2008 09:18
I have a problem with my 79 kz650. She doesn't want to start without cranking the motor over for several seconds with full choke. It acts like its not getting enough fuel to start. I have been running the bike for the last month now after a complete restoration. It has been running fine I finally got all the right valve shims in place. The only thing I changed right before this started was the no. 1 piston intake shim. It runs great once started but still does not want to start after running a while. I took it on a road trip 1:30 each way with no problems except the starting.
I don't like running the starter that long so I try to kick it as much as I can to start. Like I said this is after a complete rebuild and I am still working out the bugs nothing serious just little things.
I don't like running the starter that long so I try to kick it as much as I can to start. Like I said this is after a complete rebuild and I am still working out the bugs nothing serious just little things.
1979 KZ650, Mac 4-2 exhaust. Restored after 25 years of sitting. Dyna elec coils, ignition. As old as I am, been in the family since new.
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Re: Starting Problems
11 Aug 2008 09:29
Sounds like you need to get a new ignition system. The Dyna S has been used on several older Kawasaki's with great success. See them at
www.dynaonline.com
The website that "wired George" runs has information about a relay modification that will also improve the combustion process in your engine by bypassing the corrosion in the wiring.
His website with the diagrams and parts is www.wgcarbs.com
He also runs a carb rebuilding service for motorcycles out of Texas and does wonderful things to the carbs.
The website that "wired George" runs has information about a relay modification that will also improve the combustion process in your engine by bypassing the corrosion in the wiring.
His website with the diagrams and parts is www.wgcarbs.com
He also runs a carb rebuilding service for motorcycles out of Texas and does wonderful things to the carbs.
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Re: Starting Problems
11 Aug 2008 13:10
I am running a brand new Dyna Ignition system with electronic ignition, dyna coils.
I have also gone through the entire wiring harness and replaced any questionable wires or connectors. She runs great after starting. I just don't understand why its hard to start.
I have also gone through the entire wiring harness and replaced any questionable wires or connectors. She runs great after starting. I just don't understand why its hard to start.
1979 KZ650, Mac 4-2 exhaust. Restored after 25 years of sitting. Dyna elec coils, ignition. As old as I am, been in the family since new.
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Re: Starting Problems
11 Aug 2008 13:47
I havent looked on the break down, but dosent that year have the vacum petcock? you need to start it in the prime location, then change to on.
I may be all wet here but what else is new
I may be all wet here but what else is new
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Re: Starting Problems
11 Aug 2008 14:33
Like the man said maybe vacuum petcock problems may be the answer.
For four cycle engines to run/operate you need 1.Fuel 2.Air 3.Compression and 4.Ignition. Any one of these four go missing and it will not operate.
For four cycle engines to run/operate you need 1.Fuel 2.Air 3.Compression and 4.Ignition. Any one of these four go missing and it will not operate.
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Re: Starting Problems
11 Aug 2008 19:33
If not already doing ---
When cranking with choke on, do not touch the throttle. The choke circuit is designed to operate with the throttle slides in the full down position.
Would also use strobe-type timing light to check ignition timing and proper operation of the advancer as rpm is varied.
Good Luck!
When cranking with choke on, do not touch the throttle. The choke circuit is designed to operate with the throttle slides in the full down position.
Would also use strobe-type timing light to check ignition timing and proper operation of the advancer as rpm is varied.
Good Luck!
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Re: Starting Problems
12 Aug 2008 08:43
I did some work on the bike last night, the petcock is working great in all positions. Timing is set with a dial advance timing light. advance is working properly
In order to start the bike I have to give some throttle or it will just keep cranking. Spark is good. I am going to clearance the shims again to see if I missed something. Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
I also vacuum tested each carb, they are all set equally. I starting to wonder if my cylinders are leaking too much?
In order to start the bike I have to give some throttle or it will just keep cranking. Spark is good. I am going to clearance the shims again to see if I missed something. Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
I also vacuum tested each carb, they are all set equally. I starting to wonder if my cylinders are leaking too much?
1979 KZ650, Mac 4-2 exhaust. Restored after 25 years of sitting. Dyna elec coils, ignition. As old as I am, been in the family since new.
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Re: Starting Problems
12 Aug 2008 08:55 - 12 Aug 2008 08:56
Still not sure your ignition wiring is good. Can you do the following simple test. With ignition switch on:
1) Measure the voltage across the battery terminals.
2) Measure the voltabe across the battery (-) terminal and the Coil (+) input.
3) What are the readings?
This will tell you what your ignition wire, connector and switch losses are.
Best of success.
1) Measure the voltage across the battery terminals.
2) Measure the voltabe across the battery (-) terminal and the Coil (+) input.
3) What are the readings?
This will tell you what your ignition wire, connector and switch losses are.
Best of success.
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- Dyna S Electronic Ignition (DS2-2)
- Dyna 3 Ohm Coils (DC1-1)
- Coil Repowering Mod
- Progressive Springs Front & Rear
- Saddlemen Seat Cover
- New Metallic Red Re-Paint & Repro Badges.
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Upgrades:
- Dyna S Electronic Ignition (DS2-2)
- Dyna 3 Ohm Coils (DC1-1)
- Coil Repowering Mod
- Progressive Springs Front & Rear
- Saddlemen Seat Cover
- New Metallic Red Re-Paint & Repro Badges.
Montreal, Canada
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Re: Starting Problems
12 Aug 2008 09:59
bubbap wrote:
Carb enrichener circuit may have blockage and need cleaning.
I did some work on the bike last night, the petcock is working great in all positions. Timing is set with a dial advance timing light. advance is working properly
In order to start the bike I have to give some throttle or it will just keep cranking. Spark is good. I am going to clearance the shims again to see if I missed something. Any ideas are greatly appreciated.
I also vacuum tested each carb, they are all set equally. I starting to wonder if my cylinders are leaking too much?
Carb enrichener circuit may have blockage and need cleaning.
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Re: Starting Problems
12 Aug 2008 11:34
Voltage across battery is 12.18 at the coils it is 9.15 each.
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Re: Starting Problems
12 Aug 2008 11:39
Sounds like a cosiderable voltage drop through the wiring,and the "Wire George" relay mdification will help.
Go to www.wgcarbs.com for the info.
Go to www.wgcarbs.com for the info.
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